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Post by Commissioner Erick on Sept 10, 2018 20:58:18 GMT -5
I'd like to house conversations about extensions in this thread. It's a subject that comes up frequently. Right now, with the exception of one-year extensions meant to avoid arbitration, extensions are not allowed unless a player has 5 years of service time, plus at least two arbitrations. This means have had to be up in the majors awhile before they've been extended.
The reason for this is OOTP's poor performance with extensions. Often times major leaguers will sign extensions at well-below market rates. This dilutes free agency and allows teams to lock in their stars without much risk. OOTP 19 seems to perform better in this regard. Potential free agents ask for more money and don't seem as inclined to lock in to long-term contracts below market rate.
Before putting the extension system up to a vote, I'd need information. Does OOTP 19 do a better job with extensions? Are stars given the ability to hold out for $25 million or more contracts or will they sign deals below what they can earn on the free agent market most of the time? If anybody has intel, it would be huge.
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Post by Ben_Dodgers on Sept 18, 2018 11:36:04 GMT -5
I don't really have much experience to call on, and in this league it looks like my arbitration eligible players are all looking for 1 year deals, so it's tough to judge what they'd accept for long term deals.
I think it's pretty hard to determine what market rates are, though. OOTP players seem to be much more flexible in their demands than real players. Players will routinely sign in March for much, much less than their demands November. Their negotiations also don't seem to be all about maximizing return - a player might counter with one team several times, driving up the price, but then accept a much lower offer from another team. There are also plenty of real world examples of teams locking in star young players for much less than what they could get in free agency (Altuve, Trout, Sale, Bumgarner, Goldschmitt, Rizzo) Further, in the real world we've saw a big shift last off-season in how teams are approaching free agent signings. $/WAR almost doubled in a decade (~5M/WAR in 2007 to just over $10M/WAR in 2017), but I think it actually went down this past year.
I've said it before, but I think the extension restrictions in this league are problematic for two reasons. 1) They favor favor teams with larger budgets, and 2) It's a pain in the ass to remember the rules and enforce them. The number of voided contracts related to this rule, and the frustration that causes among the GMs, does not seem to be worth whatever benefit this rule provides.
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Post by Commissioner Erick on Sept 18, 2018 12:27:19 GMT -5
I think next year I may do away with the one year extension rule and make it so only players with X experience can sign extensions. I didn't think anyone would offer those 1 year extensions, or even two year ones.
In the past, I've found the extension system to really cripple bigger markets because it made free agency a non-starter. Nobody good ever reached it. I think the PBA's Free Agent market is pretty healthy, and I don't mind a universe where the Yankees and Dodgers are allowed to be the Yankees and Dodgers. In OOTP, If a big market team has a bad year or two, they crash hard. Boston for example has seen its budget slashed heavily the past few seasons.
I'll take a look at my own players and see what they may ask for in terms of extensions. So I have some kind of baseline. In real life, I think the $/WAR went down last year, but I'm wondering if that will be a trend or a blip. It may be an anomalous one-year situation. This year's market will be fascinating as a result, but I tend to operate where something like $7 million a WAR is normal. There's so many factors in figuring out what that number "Should" be, but I can see what total PBA WAR is and total PBA Player Salary is.
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Post by Steve Cox on Sept 19, 2018 12:59:09 GMT -5
Only recent example that jumps out at me was Jonathan Lucretia. Signed him to one-year $6.5 million and he had a good year. But when I tried to extend the 32 year-old for a couple more he wanted 8 years st about 20 per year. Not exactly a steal.
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Post by Steve Cox on Sept 19, 2018 13:00:35 GMT -5
Yeah. You all know that was Lucroy before autocorrect took over
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Post by Commissioner Erick on Sept 19, 2018 13:25:15 GMT -5
That's a pretty awesome autocorrect LOL
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